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Driving under the influence of homeopathy

Posted in homeopathy, Humorous, Skepdude by Skepdude on October 31, 2008

Hat tip to the Friendly Atheist.

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  1. Nancy said, on December 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

    Homeopathy cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails

    • Skepdude said, on December 10, 2009 at 12:54 PM

      Prove it.

  2. Nancy Malik said, on August 18, 2010 at 8:44 AM

    Proof in support of Homeopathy published in reputed journals

    1. Scientific World Journal
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17982565

    2. Lancet
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9310601

    3. Neuro Psycho Pharmacology
    http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v27/n2/abs/1395862a.html // Bacopa Monnieri for memory

    • Skepdude said, on August 18, 2010 at 9:27 AM

      It took you eight months to find your proof and the above 3 links are the best you can provide? Let’s see it:

      #1 – Study on frogs, not humans. Even then the results seem highly questionable. Quote: ” The number of test animals that reached the 4-legged stage at defined points in time was slightly smaller in the group treated with homeopathically prepared thyroxin at some, but not at all points in time, compared to control.” In other words, if you pick and choose only some points in time you find a difference, which is also slightly smaller. I wonder if slightly means “statistically significant”?

      #2 – Quote : “The results of our meta-analysis are not compatible with the hypothesis that the clinical effects of homeopathy are completely due to placebo. However, we found insufficient evidence from these studies that homeopathy is clearly efficacious for any single clinical condition. Further research on homeopathy is warranted provided it is rigorous and systematic.” Read that? Insufficient evidence that homeopathy is clearly efficacious for ANY single condition.

      #3
      – Is not even a study on homeopathy. It is a study on a Bacopa monnieri an herb. Are you sure you know what homeopathy means?

      • Nancy Malik said, on August 18, 2010 at 9:51 AM

        Sorry for replying late.

        Quote 2:The overall mean odds ratio for these 89 clinical trials was 2.45 (95% confidence interval 2.05–2.93) in favour of homeopathy, which means that the chances of homeopathy giving benefit were 2 to 3 times greater than those of placebo. Even when considering a “worst-case” scenario in which only high-quality studies, of high or medium dilutions, published in MEDLINE-listed journals, and with predefined measures of primary outcome were analysed, the pooled odds ratio was 1.97 and remained statistically significant.

        The main conclusion was that the results “were not compatible with the hypothesis that the effects of homoeopathy are completely due to placebo”. In further analysis, the authors clarified that higher quality trials were less likely to be positive than those of lower quality – which is comparable to the conclusion from similar analyses in conventional medicine –, though the difference from placebo remained statistically significant until analysis was restricted to just five trials. There was insufficient volume of evidence to enable conclusions to be drawn about what homeopathic treatment is effective in which diagnosis.

        Quote 3: We use bacopa monniereri in mother tincture as well as potentised form in homeopathy.

        • Skepdude said, on August 18, 2010 at 10:19 AM

          Actually, that was only part of the main conclusion. You are conveniently leaving out the part that says that they found insufficient evidence that homeopathy is clearly advantegous for ANY single condition. You tell me what this means: It’s not clear it’s all due to placebo, but there is no evidence that it works for anything. Sounds like an inconclusive statement to me.

          Secondly, it does not matter if you use bacopa in homeopathy. The study was not done for a homeopathic solution of the herb, it was done for the herb itself, thus it has nothing to say about the homeopathic solutions that may be prepared using it. If you do not see that, I don’t see how we can continue to have an honest discussion.

          Face it none of these studies shows anything of substance. Your first study was on animals, and it is well known that many times studies on animals do not pan out on humans, so it cannot be used as evidence that homeopathy works. The second study carries such an inconclusive conclusion, that you can only get something positive out of it if you limit it to the first sentence and ignore the rest of the conclusion, which is not how science works. And the third study has nothing to say about homeopaty, becuase it did not test homeopathy.

          I am afraid you’re gonna have to come up with something a bit more stronger than these three papers to support your claim that homeopathy “cures even when allopathic medicine fails”. Show me scientific evidence that homeopathy can cure any of the diseases that are currently uncurable by real medicine. 1 or 2 will do.

          • Nancy Malik said, on August 18, 2010 at 11:37 AM

            Homeopathy in acute malaria

            A pilot study in Ghana showing homoeopathic treatment equal to and slightly more effective than chloroquine in the treatment of acute malaria

            Ref: (Br Homoeopath J 1996 Apr;85(2):66-70).

  3. Skepdude said, on August 18, 2010 at 10:52 PM

    Link?

    You’ve already starting off at a disadvantage though. You said Pilot Study; pilot studies don’t prove anything by their nature. And what is this Br Homeopath Journal?

  4. Nancy Malik said, on October 1, 2010 at 12:51 AM

    It’s British Homoeopathic Journal in which two important studies are presented

    http://bit.ly/aojfhY (1986) //Arnica, Bryonia & Rhus Tox for fibromyalgia
    http://bit.ly/ar8PhX (1993) //Caulophyllum 7C reduces duration of labour by 90 minutes

    Reference/more details at http://knol.google.com/k/dr-nancy-malik-bhms/scientific-research-in-homeopathy/pocy7w49ru14/2#


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